Posts by Indian Larry

It will not be easy to get them out. If you really care about this person get Steve Hassan's book entitled "Combating Cult Mind Control". It is available on Amazon.com. Read it.

Steve is a former Moonie and there are some very good points in that book that can be used with Moonies. One of the things that "turned" him was simply a stranger being nice. When people attack Moonies they just see it as proof that they are right.

Anyway, much too detailed to cover in a forum post, get the book and you will learn a lot about "Moonies" & Witnesses

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Who or what are you most angry at, when it comes to your situation in relation to JW Org?

by BreathoftheIndianNose in

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i've been receiving very bitter messages from jws i know, mostly my mother, but also others that know how to contact me electronically.

sometimes i find myself mad at her, though not displaying it.

but i know it's really not her or my fathers fault.

Indian Larry

Myself and those in the org who know it is wrong but don't have the guts to stand up. Also mad because I know realize that none of my friends are unconditional friends. Even my wife said she would consider leaving if I get DF'd. SUCKS!

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October 1, 1926 WT on the Prophetic Seven Times of the Gentiles

by JakeM2012 in

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i know that this has been discussed previously about the 607 b.c.e and the 586 b.c.e.

debate.

but i found it interesting in the october 1, 1926 wt the quotes under the subheading:.

Indian Larry

Love to see a scan if anyone has one.

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Biblical precedence for opposing viewpoints within the Congregation

by Momma-Tossed-Me in

often the wtbts uses the gathering of older men in jerusalem as support for the organizational structure used today.

this essay will examine the validity of that claim by way of logic and reason.. .

logically an argument could be formulated that this meeting was not a regularly scheduled or organized group that held weekly or monthly meetings to discuss things related to the early christian congregation but that is a thesis to be explored on another day.. .

Indian Larry

Excellent. Thank you very much for the research and time you put into this. I will be putting it to use.

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My son was murdered today

by truman in

i have been on this site daily, almost from its beginning, since i left the jws in 2001, but i have been more of a reader than a poster, as you can see from my post count.

i know few here know me, although i know many of you through reading your posts.

maybe it is not right to ask for support, when i generally stay quietly in the background of this forum, but i want only to speak a human misery of the deepest kind.

Indian Larry

You have my deepest sympathy. As parents we are never meant to outlive our children. My heart goes out to you!

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What does your profile name say about you?

by usualusername in

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i use usualusername as i am not creative enough to think of anything sexier.... .

what significance is there behind your profile name?.

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Indian Larry

I chose Indian Larry as a screen name because I like the attitude he had about questioning everything. I also like his signature "question mark" logo. Here are some excerpts from the Wikipedia page on Indian Larry:

Having experienced and overcome many extreme tests in life, Indian Larry adopted the question mark as his personal symbol. Larry "had a lot going on in his head", and was by nature analytical, and a deep thinker.

A well-known anecdote about Indian Larry is that as a kid he attempted to build a bomb in his parent's basement in order to blow up the Catholic school;Instead, an explosion occurred at the DeSmedt home, and Larry lost the small finger on his left hand.

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Ray Franz book's available in audio format! Crisis of Consciencs / Christian Freedom

by Indian Larry in

everybody may already know this but i just happened to discover that crisis of conscience and in search of christian freedom are now available as audio books.

they are not legal copies as commentary press did not make a audio version, however someone took the time to read every page of both books into a good mike.

the sound quality is good and they are organized well for a iphone or ipod.

Indian Larry

Everybody may already know this but I just happened to discover that Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom are now available as audio books. They are NOT legal copies as Commentary Press did not make a audio version, however someone took the time to read every page of both books into a good mike. The sound quality is good and they are organized well for a iPhone or iPod. I have both books already (ordered off of Amazon - Free Minds I think). I would have been more than glad to pay for the audio version but I could not find one for sale.

So that being said you have to decide if it will cause a crisis for your conscience to download it for free from Piratebay dot SE.

You will need a bit torrent program. It will download as .mp3 files. They will import into iTunes perfectly. The speaker has a pleasant voice and it is really nice to be able to listen while driving.

I would recommend making a donation to Commentary Press or even better order extra copies to give away (or leave in your Dr.s Office), that way Ray''s wife can still earn for his valueable insitghts. To me these two books are BOTH fantastic, although I like In Search of Christian Freedom the best.

Please don't flame me for recommending Pirate Bay. If there is any other place to get them please let me know.

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More Self Therapy

by Indian Larry in

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dont push me under.

there is nothing wrong with that.. i am concerned about my standing with god.. i am concerned about how i will answer on judgement day.. i try to be a good father.. i try to be a good son.. i try to be a good husband.. is that crazy?.

yes, i have doubts.. the bible tells us to verify the truth.. we are encouraged to test things we are told.

Indian Larry

re. Scotoma.

I do believe that we were created. I have looked with (at least what I feel) is an open mind at evolution and I still feel there had to be intelligent design in the beginning. How do I KNOW the Bible is the truth? I guess I don't know to the point I could prove it in a court of law. I do know there are some contradictions in the Bible, some things in the Bible I don't believe 100%. For instance I do believe there was a flood, however I do have doubts that it was a world wide flood. I believe it was a localized flood, and I believe that can be shown in the scriptures. I think I had it figured one time the water would have had to fall at over 5' per hour.

A site that covers some of the specifics of this and how you can still believe in the bible in the face of some of the valid questions science raises is called:

godandscience dot org

Either way I am NOT looking to start a Evolution vs. Creation battle. That battle has gone on for over 100 years and will go on 100 more. Each side will think the other does not understand. What came first the chicken or the egg? I feel it was the chicken. I do believe in evolution as far a changes within a species but I still think each basic species had a beginning. If you do not believe the bible is the truth, that is your choice and I respect that. I did go that way for awhile. It has been 10 years since I mentally dropped out and over 3 since I stopped attending meetings. For a while I did doubt everything even God and the Bible.

It could be how I was raised, but to me I find more meaning in my life believing in creation. Is that faith or gullibility? I would like to think it is faith. If I am wrong, i am wrong. So what? That just means I led a life that had meaning to me, and when I die I will just be dead. To me that is better to have a hope for the future and a feeling of meaning in life than to simply feel like I am another link in an evolutionary chain. To me to live as, for instance Richard Dawkins would be an empty life.

Anyhow. That's all on that. I have enough problems trying to get my family out of the BORG without bringing any other variables into the mix.

Bottom line is I do feel that we were created. Am I right or wrong? I don't know, but I know it feels right to me.

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More Self Therapy

by Indian Larry in

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dont push me under.

there is nothing wrong with that.. i am concerned about my standing with god.. i am concerned about how i will answer on judgement day.. i try to be a good father.. i try to be a good son.. i try to be a good husband.. is that crazy?.

yes, i have doubts.. the bible tells us to verify the truth.. we are encouraged to test things we are told.

Indian Larry

@Pams Girl – That was kind of directed to my wife (who ironically will never read this). Yesterday I asked her if she would shun me if I came "out", she would not answer. This really really stinks because we have been married 25 years and it has been a good marriage. Seems like everything is falling apart.